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{ Friday, July 25, 2003 }

More differences between Canada and the U.S.

There is a review in the current Business Week, Where the U.S. and Canada part ways, of a book called Fire and Ice: The United States, Canada and the Myth of Converging Values. This is, of course, a bestseller in Canada.

Yes, Canada has always gone its own way to some degree. It spends about 45% of gross domestic product on government programs, vs. 35% for the U.S. It has national health care, doesn't have a death penalty, and in most cases considers abortion a private issue between a woman and her doctor. And Canada, unlike the U.S., has strict gun-control legislation.

This difference isn't only with Canada, but with most of the liberal democracies around the world. More differences outlined in the book:

• Environics asked Canadians and Americans whether they agreed with the statement, "The father of the family must be master in his own home." The number of Americans strongly or somewhat agreeing with the statement rose from 42% in 1992 to 49% in 2000. Among Canadians, those agreeing fell from 26% to 18% during the same period.

• In 1992, only 14% of the respondents in both the U.S. and Canada agreed with the sentiment that when one is tense and feeling stressed, a little bit of violence can offer relief and "is no big deal." By 2000, the figure remained at 14% in Canada but had jumped to 31% in the U.S.

• Only 11% of Canadians agreed with the statement, "Nonwhites should not be allowed to immigrate to this country" in 1992, rising to 13% in 2000. Among Americans, those who agreed rose from 16% to 25% during the same period.

And that was before Sept. 11. I would guess that last statistic is different now.

LINK | 5:51 AM | TB

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  { COMMENTS }

My wife and I have spent some time in Victoria and Vancouver, but only on vacations. What we've been able to absorb of Canadian culture has always impressed us. We'd love to move to Canada; it feels like home.

Fortunately, Portland is not a typical U.S. city. In many ways it feels like the Canada the quoted statistics describe. We're happy to live here for now.

J.D. | July 25, 2003 9:11 AM

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I am so happy that I'm moving to Paris, France in the fall. And if I can't renew my visa in the future, I'm going to Montreal!

Rachel | July 25, 2003 10:51 AM

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I love living just North of Toronto. I really wouldn't want it any other way. I have visited America in the past many times - and while it's a nice place to go, for me, it would definately not be a place I could live. Especially after growing up in Ontario.

Adam | July 25, 2003 11:49 AM

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Thank you for the gentle reminder of all the things I seem to take for granted living in Canada. Add to the list the legalization of same sex marriages! It makes me so proud to be Canadian :-)

abi | July 25, 2003 1:40 PM

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Whatever the shortcomings confessed to here, Canada has given us Mark Steyn , so all is forgiven!

Tom McMahon | July 25, 2003 5:15 PM

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Thank you, Caterina, for once again pointing out the numerous flaws in the U.S. that clearly make Canada a better country.

I suppose that's why so many more Canadians emigrate to the U.S than Americans do to Canada.

In 2001 5,894 American moved to Canada while 30,203 Canadians moved to the U.S.
-News Star-

Bernie | July 25, 2003 5:44 PM

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The NY Times is talking about this. And A-list blogger Billmon is seriously thinking of moving up here, too.

Dave Pollard | July 25, 2003 6:17 PM

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My guess, Bernie, is that the polls related here are

And I would also assume that the Canadians you refer to are emigrating to the Blue States. Where is this data from? I couldn't find it on newsstar.com (which is what i assume you meant). I'd be interested to see it, and if it goes into state-by-state immigration. The number of Canadians in Hollywood, I know, is phenomenal.

If you're interested in your career, there are significantly more opportunities in the US. It's mostly a matter of scale. As Stewart says, Canada is a better country, The U.S. is a greater country.

As the article says, Canadians aren't' anti-American, they're anti-Bush.

Caterina Fake | July 25, 2003 6:27 PM

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And Dave, where is it being discussed in the Times? I'd be interested to look at that.

Caterina Fake | July 25, 2003 6:28 PM

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just in case someone missed John's Switch to Canada

meikel | July 28, 2003 11:20 AM

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Oops, sorry, Caterina, I must have been having an 'over-50' moment. I meant CNN not NYT.

Dave Pollard | July 29, 2003 12:40 PM

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I've lived in Canada my whole life and i'm proud to be Canadian. It's a nice play to live and a nice place to grow up. It has alot less problems than some countries but it still has it's problems, as some poeple fail to realize. The only reason why more Canadians go to America is simply because there are more job opportunities in the Us than there are here in Canada. I've been to the US before and theres somthing not right about it that i cannot explain. Even though i like America i still think Canada is a better place to live for obvious reasons.

Joe | October 15, 2003 4:23 PM

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I am going to move to Vancouver from Toronto. May I ask anybody who could tell me any differences between the two cities?

Thanks a lot!

victoria | October 31, 2003 6:22 PM

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Really Canada is most beautiful country.it good for the future of kids.

sonia kukkar | December 30, 2003 1:29 AM

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I would like to make canada my home and immigrate to the country from India but I don't know how I would be able to do that? I love canada and its country side

Avesh Bachav | March 19, 2004 11:40 PM

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The American Revolution , was more about economics than equality. If you really research
the cause and aftermath of the revolution it becomes apparent that the Canadian evolution althrough taking longer to materialize was far more peaceful and egalitarian. One also can come to the conclusion that most of Americas
liberties granted by our Constitution were ignored until the mid 1950's. The degree of violence unleased by the American Revolution is still with us today, more than ever. I as an American respect the evolution towards democrasy
of nations like Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. proof to me is look at these countries now, as peaceful, egalitarian countries, and then
take a look at the USA, with the latest school shooting as an example. Ignorance is Bliss, but not the realality of the truth.

ljs

Lawrence Shields | April 20, 2007 10:19 AM

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There is something that everyone forgets here...Every country is the same, just different opinions and thoughts. Live where you want to live and other than that who cares. If you like the french lifestyle, live there. If you like the fast paced individualism in the US, live there, if you like the slower paced Canadian lifestyle, then live there. Everyone has their preference. Do not judge them for it...because if you do, then you are ignorent.

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